Category Archives: Europe

Rant: More Danish cartoon BS!

Seriously.. I’m just sick of it!

Okay, was wrong and absolutely disrespectful to draw a picture of the Prophet (PBUH), I can agree with that, but c’mon.

The guy isn’t a Muslim and he’s obviously an asshole looking to provoke people. Responding to this moron was exactly what he wanted.

He did a rotten thing to the ummah, but the ummah took the bait and the outspoken fools who decided to call for violence against the cartoonist – I think they were the ones who did a LOT more damage to the ummah than this man and his stupid cartoon.

Now today I see that some crackpot Somali broke into the cartoonist’s house and attempted to murder him with an axe. That’s just pathetic. Thanks to Mr. Somali, the cartoonist is back in the spotlight. More attention on him, more free publicity for him, and more negative attention for those ‘crazy Muslims’.

Thanks a lot Mr. whack job Somali. Yeah, you really did us all a favor. Eff you!

Article Share: ‘Real religious oppression in Turkey, not Switzerland’. Bizarre article – check it out!

Article text below copied from: http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/panelists/john_mark_reynolds/2009/12/something_that_really_should_worry_europe.html

To be honest, when I first read the title – I thought he was going to go on about Turkey’s shameful ban on headscarves, and indeed, on any shows of religious affiliation in universities and government. Reading on, I was surprised to find something completely different.

I just found it ridiculous, that out of all the Islamic countries he could have criticized for being anti-Christian, that he chose Turkey – one of the most anti-religious and pluralistic Islamic-majority nations.

I also don’t really understand what he was going on about.. How he linked the murder of an Orthodox priest in Russia (the details of which are also never visited) to Turkey not permitting the construction of an Orthodox seminary, and how the lack of a new seminary in Turkey is going to kill Christian Orthodoxy. As if they can’t import priests?

Anyway, check out the article below, along with my submitted comments (as ‘ElleMyBelle’). A link to the original article is included above.


Real religious oppression in Turkey, not Switzerland

Switzerland should not have banned minarets. It was both wrong and stupid, which is something even for government. Condemnations will be loud and are deserved. Meanwhile in November a Russian priest has been martyred in Moscow for the temerity of disagreeing with the Islamic religion or Putin’s oligarchy.

Few will notice or care.

It is sad commentary on the state of Europe and America that a few minarets not built will generate more outrage than a dead priest. It is wrong to keep someone from building a place of worship, but it is worse to kill their religious leaders to silence them.

If we are to condemn violations in Europe of the right to build religious structures, and we should, then we must raise our voices against Turkey.

If you can build a building, but your cleric is not safe there, then you have no religious freedom. We should seek out the murderers of Father Daniel Sysoyev who tried to silence a brave religious man for his opinions.

The titular leader of the world’s millions of Orthodox Christians cannot build a seminary in Turkey. Christians cannot build adequate churches in that European nation, a situation that is not about to change. Surely centuries of brutal second-class citizenship for Turkish Christians are as serious as the wrong-headed actions of the Swiss last week.

The Swiss voters were wrong and the Turkish government is wrong, but the Swiss voters were wrong this week and the Turkish government is now into decades of keeping an Orthodox seminary closed. Our condemnation should, therefore be proportional, but it will not be.

The Swiss voters were foolish to try to solve an inner problem with cosmetics, but the fears of the Swiss voters are not with a basis. A brave, but dead priest in Moscow stokes their fears. Centuries of Christian history may soon end in Istanbul, ancient Constantinople, because the government of Turkey will not allow a seminary to replenish the Turkish priesthood–and this aggravates the worries of the Swiss voters.

By all means, however, let us loudly condemn the voters of Switzerland with their long record of warfare, religious intolerance, and violence against believers. Let us gloss over the Turkish practices, or study them in yet another fruitful EU conference, because of the long record of tolerance for religious minorities in Turkey.

The Ecumenical Patriarch is old and the problem may solve itself, like many problems in Europe, through the inevitable truths of the actuary table.

There is a double standard and the Swiss voters knew it. The martyrdom of Christians in the Sudan, the work camps for Christians in China, the yearly martyrdom of Christians in North Korea, and the destruction of Coptic Christianity in Egypt is hardly a topic for polite conversation let alone passionate condemnation. Islamic radicals can kill Christians, the “secular” Turkish government can inhibit their freedom of religion, and Communist states can massacre them, and too little will be said.

Let Swiss voters ban minarets and we will rally to do something. Two wrongs do not of course make a right, but in a world of wrongs some are worth more outrage than others.

Father Sysoyev is dead in Moscow, but by all means let us condemn the Swiss voters loudly enough that we cannot hear his blood cry out for justice. If we look into it too hard, it might complicate the European energy picture.

If a good priest was killed for his opinions about Islam, it is far worse than a bad-zoning decision by fearful Swiss voters. If a good priest was killed for his opposition to the corruption in the Putin government, then this is far worse than banning minarets.

Christians should unite and ask the Swiss people to reconsider their foolish decision. They should even more loudly demand that European Turkey allow churches and seminaries to be freely built.

Christians should pray that the soul of our father in Christ Daniel Sysoyev rest in peace and the faithful in Moscow should see that justice comes to the killers.

By John Mark Reynolds  |  December 1, 2009; 5:57 PM ET

COMMENTS

My apologies for it posting multiple times.. Apparently issues over here with my connection!

Mea culpa!

Posted by: ElleMyBelle | December 5, 2009 7:14 PM
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If you’re going to comment on Turkey not allowing churches and seminaries to be built – you should be fair and also note that Turkey doesn’t like ANY religious houses of worship to be built, including mosques.. They let their own historical mosques fall into disrepair and refuse state money to be allocated to their care. Turkey (specifically the government) isn’t against the Christians, they’re against RELIGION IN GENERAL.

In their crusade for a 100% secular democracy, it could be argued that they’re actually friendlier towards Christians and Jews than other Muslims who they see as a threat to their Kemalistic regime. Your article gives the illusion that they’re pro-Islam and anti-Christian when in fact the Turkish government would prefer that their constituents acted as most Western Christians did. They even push Muslim religious holidays to be called ‘Sugar Festival’ (the equivalent of calling Christmas ‘Santa Day’), encourage the use of Santa Claus (known there as ‘Noel Baba’) and ‘New Years Trees’, and prohibit observant Muslims from scheduling classes around Friday prayers or observant women from wearing head coverings to school.

If you want to write about the Turkish republic being unfair to Christians, please include how they are unfair to ANYONE worshiping God, including their own Muslim religious majority.

Posted by: ElleMyBelle | December 5, 2009 7:12 PM
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Article Share: Ban on minarets in Switzerland passes easily

My husband mentioned that he feels that Europe is starting to regress towards fascism. First France, and now this. Apparently Holland is proposing similar measures. He has a feeling Germany, with it’s huge population of Turks is going to be next. I hope he’s not right.

As non-PC and Muslim-irritating as it sounds.. Do you sometimes think SOME Muslims bring this upon themselves? While the Muslims we tend to know are friendly, open-minded sorts, we must admit that SOME bring their insular cultures with them, fail to integrate, learn the language, and constantly complain about the depravity of their new country as they happily rake in the Euros. I’m guessing THESE are the people that piss the Europeans off.

Why is it that only those insular types and the drinking, disco-dancing non-believers are recognized? What about the seemingly silent majorities?

What are your thoughts?

Alexander G. Higgins, Associated Press

Monday, November 30, 2009

Swiss voters overwhelmingly approved a constitutional ban on minarets on Sunday, barring construction of the iconic mosque towers in a surprise vote that put Switzerland at the forefront of a European backlash against a growing Muslim population.

Muslim groups in Switzerland and abroad condemned the vote as biased and anti-Islamic. Business groups said the decision hurt Switzerland’s international standing and could damage relations with Muslim nations and wealthy investors who bank, travel and shop there.

“The Swiss have failed to give a clear signal for diversity, freedom of religion and human rights,” said Omar Al-Rawi, integration representative of the Islamic Denomination in Austria, which said its reaction was “grief and deep disappointment.”

The referendum by the nationalist Swiss People’s Party labeled minarets as symbols of rising Muslim political power that could one day transform Switzerland into an Islamic nation. The initiative was approved 57.5 to 42.5 percent by some 2.67 million voters. Only four of the 26 cantons or states opposed the initiative, granting the double approval that makes it part of the Swiss constitution.

Muslims constitute about 6 percent of Switzerland’s 7.5 million people. Many are refugees from the Yugoslav wars of the 1990s, and about one in 10 actively practices the religion, the government says.

The country’s four standing minarets, which won’t be affected by the ban, do not traditionally broadcast the call to prayer outside their own buildings.

The sponsors of the initiative provoked complaints of bias from local officials and human-rights groups with campaign posters that showed minarets rising like missiles from the Swiss flag next to a fully veiled woman. Backers said the growing Muslim population was straining the country “because Muslims don’t just practice religion.”

“The minaret is a sign of political power and demand, comparable with whole-body covering by the burqa, tolerance of forced marriage and genital mutilation of girls,” the sponsors said.

Anxieties about growing Muslim minorities have rippled across Europe in recent years, leading to legal changes in some countries. There have been French moves to ban the burqa. Some German states have introduced bans on headscarves for Muslim women teaching in public schools. Mosques and minaret construction projects in Sweden, France, Italy, Austria, Greece, Germany and Slovenia have been met by protests.

Link to original article: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/11/30/MNUG1AS69Q.DTL&type=politics